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		<title>By: Tom Chance</title>
		<link>http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/15/scrap-those-old-boilers-politicians/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great! I&#039;d be very interested to hear how it turns out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great! I&#8217;d be very interested to hear how it turns out.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/15/scrap-those-old-boilers-politicians/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to keep you informed the councils is talking to the RDA about using cash in job creation pot to fund a local boiler scrappage scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to keep you informed the councils is talking to the RDA about using cash in job creation pot to fund a local boiler scrappage scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chance</title>
		<link>http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/15/scrap-those-old-boilers-politicians/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, the economics of really properly refurbishing homes will never stack up for the average home owner, let alone tenants and landlords.

If you look at the government&#039;s draft &lt;a href=&quot;http://hes.decc.gov.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heat and Energy Saving Strategy&lt;/a&gt; you&#039;ll see that a big focus is finding clever ways of financing what are called &quot;deep refurbs&quot; including all kinds of new insulation and heating kit, to make sure that the heating load is very low and the supply is very efficient. At the moment this treatment typically takes 15-20 years to pay back, hence you need more clever finance vehicles like tying the cost to the house and taking it out with small additions to energy bills (called Pay As You Save).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, the economics of really properly refurbishing homes will never stack up for the average home owner, let alone tenants and landlords.</p>
<p>If you look at the government&#8217;s draft <a href="http://hes.decc.gov.uk/" rel="nofollow">Heat and Energy Saving Strategy</a> you&#8217;ll see that a big focus is finding clever ways of financing what are called &#8220;deep refurbs&#8221; including all kinds of new insulation and heating kit, to make sure that the heating load is very low and the supply is very efficient. At the moment this treatment typically takes 15-20 years to pay back, hence you need more clever finance vehicles like tying the cost to the house and taking it out with small additions to energy bills (called Pay As You Save).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/15/scrap-those-old-boilers-politicians/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would a council finance it?  Good question Tom

Well it isn’t easy, but councils already receive ringfenced and un-ringfenced funding for house renovation grants and to promote business (LABGI). Combining the LABGI with some of the renovation funding  and with some external funding, and you could make a local scrappage scheme. My council works with the owners of empty properties who don’t have the funds to repair them. The council pays to renovate them, then rents them out using part of the rent to repay the repair costs – everyone’s a winner, the homeless are housed, the houseowner gets an income and repaired house which is now a valuable asset. We could amend the system so that any boiler less than ‘A’ rated is replaced as part of the deal. 

Whilst it’s going to be hard to fund a local scheme the benefits of even a limited scheme are so huge, we really need to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would a council finance it?  Good question Tom</p>
<p>Well it isn’t easy, but councils already receive ringfenced and un-ringfenced funding for house renovation grants and to promote business (LABGI). Combining the LABGI with some of the renovation funding  and with some external funding, and you could make a local scrappage scheme. My council works with the owners of empty properties who don’t have the funds to repair them. The council pays to renovate them, then rents them out using part of the rent to repay the repair costs – everyone’s a winner, the homeless are housed, the houseowner gets an income and repaired house which is now a valuable asset. We could amend the system so that any boiler less than ‘A’ rated is replaced as part of the deal. </p>
<p>Whilst it’s going to be hard to fund a local scheme the benefits of even a limited scheme are so huge, we really need to try.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/15/scrap-those-old-boilers-politicians/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get a bit frustrated with this now.  I replaced an aging Thorn boiler with a modern condensing boiler and I think even allowing for then-predicted price rises, it was still going to take about 7 years to save the cost of the boiler.  The increasing price of gas means the bills have risen, not fallen.

The repayment time on solar water heating was even longer, but I wonder whether supplementing the aging boiler with solar would have worked out better.

I suspect our big fuel use (and so emissions source) is heating, not hot water, and current solar systems offered to me didn&#039;t seem to help with that because there&#039;s no sun when heating is most often needed and they don&#039;t store enough heat for long enough.

Why do the economics of this not stack up yet?  Is there going to be a more dramatic change in the near future?  Any cool central heating changes on the horizon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get a bit frustrated with this now.  I replaced an aging Thorn boiler with a modern condensing boiler and I think even allowing for then-predicted price rises, it was still going to take about 7 years to save the cost of the boiler.  The increasing price of gas means the bills have risen, not fallen.</p>
<p>The repayment time on solar water heating was even longer, but I wonder whether supplementing the aging boiler with solar would have worked out better.</p>
<p>I suspect our big fuel use (and so emissions source) is heating, not hot water, and current solar systems offered to me didn&#8217;t seem to help with that because there&#8217;s no sun when heating is most often needed and they don&#8217;t store enough heat for long enough.</p>
<p>Why do the economics of this not stack up yet?  Is there going to be a more dramatic change in the near future?  Any cool central heating changes on the horizon?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chance</title>
		<link>http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/15/scrap-those-old-boilers-politicians/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting, how would a council finance it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting, how would a council finance it?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/15/scrap-those-old-boilers-politicians/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricky Younger-Ross MP is putting an EDM before parliament supporting the Reheat Britain. If the national government won&#039;t do it... well there&#039;s always local government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricky Younger-Ross MP is putting an EDM before parliament supporting the Reheat Britain. If the national government won&#8217;t do it&#8230; well there&#8217;s always local government.</p>
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